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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-48159</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical leftoid response. Please show us what it SHOULD look like. If you can&#039;t than please stop posting such nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical leftoid response. Please show us what it SHOULD look like. If you can&#8217;t than please stop posting such nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul TREHIN</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-48065</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul TREHIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 10:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyond the ugly chart problem, I live in France and such a system has been implemented for about 50 years. Social secutity taxes have been taken directly from my salary. At first I thought it was a high price to pay...

However and unfortunately, this high price has become useful for me. In the past two years I&#039;ve had to be hospitalized several times and in two cases complex surgical operations were necessary: first having detected a cancer on my left kidney which required kidney ablation. Then about a year later, metastasis of that cancer were discovered in my brain. I had to have brain surgery with a very experienced neuro surgeon who managed to extract the two metastasis while leaving me in general good health (This was a 7 hours surgery) At that point my regular contributions to social security taxes don&#039;t seem that high anymore.

I should say also that beyond self protection against accidents of life, such contributions must be seen as a contributions to the society in which we live... I have many examples of formerly well paid highly skilled employees who found themselves fired by the very large corporation that employed them before. They are now in difficult situations and should health problems, such as those that happened to me, hit them, they wouldn&#039;t be in a position to pay for hospital and surgery. Note that In France private insurances are asking for much more monney than what I was paying out of my salary to social security. This is due to spreading the risks over a much larger population.

To conclude the European Commission which is very pro private enterprise and free market institution. Nevertheless it plublished a document entitled  &quot;COSTS OF NON-SOCIAL POLICY: TOWARDS AN ECONOMIC
FRAMEWORK OF QUALITY SOCIAL POLICIES – AND THE
COSTS OF NOT HAVING THEM&quot;
Which puts in perspective the benefits that private businesses get from having a society in which there is social protection implemented, although this has a cost, the cost of not having it would be far more damaging.
The integral text can be found here:
http://www.temaasyl.se/Documents/ETG/Cost%20Of%20Non%20Social%20Policy.pdf 

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond the ugly chart problem, I live in France and such a system has been implemented for about 50 years. Social secutity taxes have been taken directly from my salary. At first I thought it was a high price to pay&#8230;</p>
<p>However and unfortunately, this high price has become useful for me. In the past two years I&#8217;ve had to be hospitalized several times and in two cases complex surgical operations were necessary: first having detected a cancer on my left kidney which required kidney ablation. Then about a year later, metastasis of that cancer were discovered in my brain. I had to have brain surgery with a very experienced neuro surgeon who managed to extract the two metastasis while leaving me in general good health (This was a 7 hours surgery) At that point my regular contributions to social security taxes don&#8217;t seem that high anymore.</p>
<p>I should say also that beyond self protection against accidents of life, such contributions must be seen as a contributions to the society in which we live&#8230; I have many examples of formerly well paid highly skilled employees who found themselves fired by the very large corporation that employed them before. They are now in difficult situations and should health problems, such as those that happened to me, hit them, they wouldn&#8217;t be in a position to pay for hospital and surgery. Note that In France private insurances are asking for much more monney than what I was paying out of my salary to social security. This is due to spreading the risks over a much larger population.</p>
<p>To conclude the European Commission which is very pro private enterprise and free market institution. Nevertheless it plublished a document entitled  &#8220;COSTS OF NON-SOCIAL POLICY: TOWARDS AN ECONOMIC<br />
FRAMEWORK OF QUALITY SOCIAL POLICIES – AND THE<br />
COSTS OF NOT HAVING THEM&#8221;<br />
Which puts in perspective the benefits that private businesses get from having a society in which there is social protection implemented, although this has a cost, the cost of not having it would be far more damaging.<br />
The integral text can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://www.temaasyl.se/Documents/ETG/Cost%20Of%20Non%20Social%20Policy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.temaasyl.se/Documen.....Policy.pdf</a> </p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Javichu</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-47654</link>
		<dc:creator>Javichu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the best attempts of FUD I&#039;ve ever seen. I&#039;m impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the best attempts of FUD I&#8217;ve ever seen. I&#8217;m impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard St. Croix</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-47653</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerard St. Croix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

not only do I agree with your factual objections here, but your linked presentation was outstanding as well. Kudos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>not only do I agree with your factual objections here, but your linked presentation was outstanding as well. Kudos.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-47643</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt E.</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-47640</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please post a chart representing the same data clearly when criticizing another chart.  I am not on either political side, but what I heard from your posting was &quot;this chart was made by republicans and is bad because it&#039;s complex.&quot;  That may be true, but if you are to criticize this chart, please post another chart that is much simpler as implied in your post should be.  Otherwise, this post just appears as political rhetoric from the other side of the aisle.  Saying &quot;this is bad and overly complex&quot; without evidence to support such claims is why politics have divided this country.  &quot;The other side is wrong&quot; without showing why polarizes but doesn&#039;t clarify.  

I follow this blog for informational clarity, something clearly absent in what appears to be a guised ranting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please post a chart representing the same data clearly when criticizing another chart.  I am not on either political side, but what I heard from your posting was &#8220;this chart was made by republicans and is bad because it&#8217;s complex.&#8221;  That may be true, but if you are to criticize this chart, please post another chart that is much simpler as implied in your post should be.  Otherwise, this post just appears as political rhetoric from the other side of the aisle.  Saying &#8220;this is bad and overly complex&#8221; without evidence to support such claims is why politics have divided this country.  &#8220;The other side is wrong&#8221; without showing why polarizes but doesn&#8217;t clarify.  </p>
<p>I follow this blog for informational clarity, something clearly absent in what appears to be a guised ranting.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-47630</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, there are plenty of conservatives (and independents for that matter) that look at the link below as a beautiful piece of well-designed propaganda that makes them want to vomit all over their keyboard: 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertpalmer/3743826461/

The accuracy of these two very different health care charts that use almost the exact same data is distinctly colored by a person&#039;s ideology and attitudes about health care reform.  

Data visualizations are inherently editorial - they are the sum product of dozens of editorial design decisions that ultimately add up to a distinct point of view.  There are ways to minimize (and maximize) its editorializing, but we have stop fooling ourselves into believing that there is always a right way and a wrong way in this business.

Beautiful design does not necessarily equal accurate design.

Bad design does not necessarily equal inaccurate design.

p.s. For those that are interested in more about these health care reform charts, see this Ignite presentation I did entitled Chart Wars: 

http://www.targetpointconsulting.com/ToThePoint/2010/01/05/chart-wars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, there are plenty of conservatives (and independents for that matter) that look at the link below as a beautiful piece of well-designed propaganda that makes them want to vomit all over their keyboard: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertpalmer/3743826461/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/r.....743826461/</a></p>
<p>The accuracy of these two very different health care charts that use almost the exact same data is distinctly colored by a person&#8217;s ideology and attitudes about health care reform.  </p>
<p>Data visualizations are inherently editorial &#8211; they are the sum product of dozens of editorial design decisions that ultimately add up to a distinct point of view.  There are ways to minimize (and maximize) its editorializing, but we have stop fooling ourselves into believing that there is always a right way and a wrong way in this business.</p>
<p>Beautiful design does not necessarily equal accurate design.</p>
<p>Bad design does not necessarily equal inaccurate design.</p>
<p>p.s. For those that are interested in more about these health care reform charts, see this Ignite presentation I did entitled Chart Wars: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.targetpointconsulting.com/ToThePoint/2010/01/05/chart-wars" rel="nofollow">http://www.targetpointconsulti.....chart-wars</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-47629</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of the &quot;complexity&quot; of the graph seems to from the boxy, wrapping lines (e.g. follow &quot;your new health care system&quot; to the &quot;individuals&quot; box).  There is no indication that this is the most parsimonious arrangement of boxes.

I&#039;m thinking there are many applications designed to uncover efficient representations of complex networks - probably many biological (food webs, evolutionary trees, etc.).  Someone (not I!) should try recreating it in Protovis:
http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/force.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the &#8220;complexity&#8221; of the graph seems to from the boxy, wrapping lines (e.g. follow &#8220;your new health care system&#8221; to the &#8220;individuals&#8221; box).  There is no indication that this is the most parsimonious arrangement of boxes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking there are many applications designed to uncover efficient representations of complex networks &#8211; probably many biological (food webs, evolutionary trees, etc.).  Someone (not I!) should try recreating it in Protovis:<br />
<a href="http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/force.html" rel="nofollow">http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/force.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-47628</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charts are like statistics - one can design a chart to support or refute any point of view.

If the goal of the chart was to show how the new health care system will be complex, bureaucratic, and inefficient, then it worked for me.

If the new health care system will be simpler than this, then let&#039;s see that chart with the article.

If that chart doesn&#039;t exist, then who&#039;s to say if this chart convolutes or clarifes the proposed system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charts are like statistics &#8211; one can design a chart to support or refute any point of view.</p>
<p>If the goal of the chart was to show how the new health care system will be complex, bureaucratic, and inefficient, then it worked for me.</p>
<p>If the new health care system will be simpler than this, then let&#8217;s see that chart with the article.</p>
<p>If that chart doesn&#8217;t exist, then who&#8217;s to say if this chart convolutes or clarifes the proposed system.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/29/ugly-chart-used-to-confuse-readers/#comment-47627</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a longtime fan, I&#039;d love to see you take the details and make them as clear and non-confusing as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a longtime fan, I&#8217;d love to see you take the details and make them as clear and non-confusing as possible.</p>
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