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		<title>By: Bookmarks for May 28th through May 31st &#124; The Stuyvesant Organization</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/05/30/overhaul-of-new-york-subway-map/#comment-44972</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks for May 28th through May 31st &#124; The Stuyvesant Organization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 03:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Melissa Bastian</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/05/30/overhaul-of-new-york-subway-map/#comment-44884</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Bastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 18:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all of their efforts, the subway map provided by the MTA is basically useless unless you already know both the city and the subway system very, very well.  For visitors to the city I always suggest the Streetwise Manhattan map, which can be found in most bookstores.  It is the only map of the city I&#039;ve ever found that shows both the subway stops and the actual streets of the city.  I don&#039;t know how it&#039;s some kind of revelation that people would need both these pieces of information, but it seems that this is the only publisher that&#039;s figured it out.

As to the commenter above who mentioned the rotation - that&#039;s just what we do here.  We pretend the streets run north/south; it&#039;s way easier that way.  Also, consider it from a mapmaker&#039;s perspective - think of all the wasted space if the island was to lay on the map at the proper angle rather than vertically.  Wouldn&#039;t work out at all.

Nathan - many thanks for the info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of their efforts, the subway map provided by the MTA is basically useless unless you already know both the city and the subway system very, very well.  For visitors to the city I always suggest the Streetwise Manhattan map, which can be found in most bookstores.  It is the only map of the city I&#8217;ve ever found that shows both the subway stops and the actual streets of the city.  I don&#8217;t know how it&#8217;s some kind of revelation that people would need both these pieces of information, but it seems that this is the only publisher that&#8217;s figured it out.</p>
<p>As to the commenter above who mentioned the rotation &#8211; that&#8217;s just what we do here.  We pretend the streets run north/south; it&#8217;s way easier that way.  Also, consider it from a mapmaker&#8217;s perspective &#8211; think of all the wasted space if the island was to lay on the map at the proper angle rather than vertically.  Wouldn&#8217;t work out at all.</p>
<p>Nathan &#8211; many thanks for the info!</p>
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		<title>By: Overhaul of New York subway map &#124; Conrad Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overhaul of New York subway map &#124; Conrad Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 04:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: reformed NYer</title>
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		<dc:creator>reformed NYer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 17:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That link is pretty accurate.  You really need to know where the subway&#039;s coming up esp. if you live not on manhattan.  

This mashup was most effective back when I lived in the city.
http://www.onnyturf.com/subway/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link is pretty accurate.  You really need to know where the subway&#8217;s coming up esp. if you live not on manhattan.  </p>
<p>This mashup was most effective back when I lived in the city.<br />
<a href="http://www.onnyturf.com/subway/" rel="nofollow">http://www.onnyturf.com/subway/</a></p>
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		<title>By: tudza</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2010/05/30/overhaul-of-new-york-subway-map/#comment-44775</link>
		<dc:creator>tudza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 15:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some NY folks had a counter argument and liked the old &quot;confusing&quot; maps better.  Check the comment to this article:

http://gizmodo.com/5550209/this-is-not-nycs-newly-unveiled-subway-map</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some NY folks had a counter argument and liked the old &#8220;confusing&#8221; maps better.  Check the comment to this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://gizmodo.com/5550209/this-is-not-nycs-newly-unveiled-subway-map" rel="nofollow">http://gizmodo.com/5550209/thi.....subway-map</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 14:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Vignelli angular maps are so dang beautiful and easy to use. Hopefully by the next revision, we&#039;ll all be using digital maps and all that extra information can be invisible but accessible underneath a Vignelli.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Vignelli angular maps are so dang beautiful and easy to use. Hopefully by the next revision, we&#8217;ll all be using digital maps and all that extra information can be invisible but accessible underneath a Vignelli.</p>
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		<title>By: libert</title>
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		<dc:creator>libert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 14:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if the &quot;ever popular New York subway map&quot; comment is sarcastic, but I hope it is. When visiting New York, I hated that thing. DC and London have very intuitive subway maps. NYC could learn a thing or two from those cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the &#8220;ever popular New York subway map&#8221; comment is sarcastic, but I hope it is. When visiting New York, I hated that thing. DC and London have very intuitive subway maps. NYC could learn a thing or two from those cities.</p>
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		<title>By: RZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 10:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the most interesting fact about the NYC subway map is that its orientation is shifted about 315 degrees. That is, it shows Manhattan pointing up the page, which is conventionally north. However the island really points northeast. I was very surprised when I moved to the Northeast and learned that fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the most interesting fact about the NYC subway map is that its orientation is shifted about 315 degrees. That is, it shows Manhattan pointing up the page, which is conventionally north. However the island really points northeast. I was very surprised when I moved to the Northeast and learned that fact.</p>
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