Comments on: Is 10/GUI the Future Replacement of the Mouse and Keyboard? http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/ Strength in Numbers Thu, 24 May 2012 11:10:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: igorbrejc.net » Fresh Catch For November 14th http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-35640 igorbrejc.net » Fresh Catch For November 14th Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:01:47 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-35640 [...] Is 10/GUI the Future Replacement of the Mouse and Keyboard? | FlowingData via The Endeavour [...] [...] Is 10/GUI the Future Replacement of the Mouse and Keyboard? | FlowingData via The Endeavour [...]

]]> By: pdf23ds http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-35200 pdf23ds Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:27:36 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-35200 Oh, and the TouchStream had bumps on the home row for your fingers. When you typed on it, your hands would gradually drift in random directions, and when you got far enough off you'd start pressing the wrong "keys", and you'd have to periodically rest your hands for a moment to find the bumps again. They had to actually handle the input from the touch sensors specially in the firmware, because the bumps distorted the input. Oh, and the TouchStream had bumps on the home row for your fingers. When you typed on it, your hands would gradually drift in random directions, and when you got far enough off you’d start pressing the wrong “keys”, and you’d have to periodically rest your hands for a moment to find the bumps again. They had to actually handle the input from the touch sensors specially in the firmware, because the bumps distorted the input.

]]> By: pdf23ds http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-35199 pdf23ds Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:25:04 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-35199 The hardware part of the touch interface is pretty much the same thing as the <a href="http://www.fingerworks.com/" rel="nofollow">Fingerworks TouchStream</a>. The software part is kind of neat, but it doesn't seem to incorporate any "gestures" besides dragging and scaling. The TouchStream also had rotation, dragging in particular directions triggering different actions based on the direction and which fingers are down, and so on. Probably 10/GUI has that, but just didn't mention it in the video. The main downside to keyboarding on the TouchStream was that most people couldn't get past 25 WPM on it. I could personally do around 50, but on regular keyboards I can do 80. BTW, the TouchStream technology was bought by Apple and used for the iPhone. "Though then we’d probably want something to support our wrists so we don’t have to hold our hands up all the time." According to ergonomics best practice, you shouldn't be resting anything on the (regular) keyboard when you're typing.You wrists should be suspended just above the keyboard. This is the same as playing the piano. Typists and pianists can do either for many hours a day. The only thing it puts stress on is your biceps, to hold your forearms up, and your wrists, to hold your hands straight. Neither presents an RSI risk when done without tension. The hardware part of the touch interface is pretty much the same thing as the Fingerworks TouchStream. The software part is kind of neat, but it doesn’t seem to incorporate any “gestures” besides dragging and scaling. The TouchStream also had rotation, dragging in particular directions triggering different actions based on the direction and which fingers are down, and so on. Probably 10/GUI has that, but just didn’t mention it in the video.

The main downside to keyboarding on the TouchStream was that most people couldn’t get past 25 WPM on it. I could personally do around 50, but on regular keyboards I can do 80.

BTW, the TouchStream technology was bought by Apple and used for the iPhone.

“Though then we’d probably want something to support our wrists so we don’t have to hold our hands up all the time.”

According to ergonomics best practice, you shouldn’t be resting anything on the (regular) keyboard when you’re typing.You wrists should be suspended just above the keyboard. This is the same as playing the piano. Typists and pianists can do either for many hours a day. The only thing it puts stress on is your biceps, to hold your forearms up, and your wrists, to hold your hands straight. Neither presents an RSI risk when done without tension.

]]> By: KUN41 http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-35085 KUN41 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:44:26 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-35085 like it alot, but the (think someone mentioned it more detail) key pad should be halfed - still above but angled down/around the top edges of the touchpad.. and id want buttons on the edges of the pad ..and keys that arent type oriented. plus im sure theres use for stylists too. building one of those in (pull cord?) shouldnt be too hard - mostly for drawing use. like it alot, but the (think someone mentioned it more detail) key pad should be halfed – still above but angled down/around the top edges of the touchpad.. and id want buttons on the edges of the pad ..and keys that arent type oriented. plus im sure theres use for stylists too. building one of those in (pull cord?) shouldnt be too hard – mostly for drawing use.

]]> By: جنبش سبز – Green movement » Blog Archive » فیلمی جالب از آینده کامپیوترهای شخصی http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-34889 جنبش سبز – Green movement » Blog Archive » فیلمی جالب از آینده کامپیوترهای شخصی Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:58:03 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-34889 [...] ???: فیلمی جالب از آینده کامپیوترهای شخصی برچسب : آینده, کامپیوتر نویسنده : admin | تاریخ : Û²Û¸ مهر [...] [...] ???: فیلمی جالب از آینده کامپیوترهای شخصی برچسب : آینده, کامپیوتر نویسنده : admin | تاریخ : Û²Û¸ مهر [...]

]]> By: Joe http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-34803 Joe Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:44:06 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-34803 Dane, with the -indeed somewhat teepee shaped- keyboard I'm using, the hands don't have to held up all the time: they rest on the keyboard, while the fingers reach down in the two not flat but hollow(!) shaped key-areas that also take the difference in length of each human finger into account. In my case the mouse and keyboard I use were bought out of necessity. I used to think there's nothing wrong with using a common mouse and keyboard and the way you have to position your arms and hands, until my body told me otherwise. I think it's just a pity that a project like the one shown here, disregards so many of the scientific ergonomic developments. I really don't feel like I'm using special medical devices designed only for the half-crippled; instead anybody could or ideally should benefit, if only to be able to work more hours. Dane, with the -indeed somewhat teepee shaped- keyboard I’m using, the hands don’t have to held up all the time: they rest on the keyboard, while the fingers reach down in the two not flat but hollow(!) shaped key-areas that also take the difference in length of each human finger into account.
In my case the mouse and keyboard I use were bought out of necessity. I used to think there’s nothing wrong with using a common mouse and keyboard and the way you have to position your arms and hands, until my body told me otherwise.

I think it’s just a pity that a project like the one shown here, disregards so many of the scientific ergonomic developments.

I really don’t feel like I’m using special medical devices designed only for the half-crippled; instead anybody could or ideally should benefit, if only to be able to work more hours.

]]> By: Dane http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-34801 Dane Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:15:28 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-34801 Joe, I see what you're saying, you're referring to their vertical orientation. I've never found using a flat typewriter surface uncomfortable, but I definitely see what you mean. I suppose a pitched, tee-pee-shaped interface would be the most natural of all in that case, wouldn't it? Though then we'd probably want something to support our wrists so we don't have to hold our hands up all the time. Hmm...tricky. Also, at odds with hand position when using the keyboard to type. Ultimately a flat touch surface still be the best bet, as long as the hands can approach the interface from natural horizontal angles. Joe, I see what you’re saying, you’re referring to their vertical orientation. I’ve never found using a flat typewriter surface uncomfortable, but I definitely see what you mean. I suppose a pitched, tee-pee-shaped interface would be the most natural of all in that case, wouldn’t it? Though then we’d probably want something to support our wrists so we don’t have to hold our hands up all the time. Hmm…tricky. Also, at odds with hand position when using the keyboard to type. Ultimately a flat touch surface still be the best bet, as long as the hands can approach the interface from natural horizontal angles.

]]> By: Joe http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-34800 Joe Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:50:16 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-34800 Dane, to find out what exactly is the natural angle, just stand up, hold nothing in your hands and relax. You'll see that the palms of your hands face your thighs and are "hang down" parallel to your legs. Now angle your lower arms 90 degrees forward like you do when you're working at a desk, but don't change the rest, keep relaxed. Your hands will now positioned like you're about to shake somebody's hands (the arms aren't but that's irrelevant). When you use a (true) vertical ergonomic mouse, your hands will keep this natural relaxed position. In order to have them rest on your Macbook (or any other notebook) you have to twist your hands 90 degrees inward. That's not all: the next move is to angle your lower arms towards the Macbook, because the keyboard area isn't as wide as your body and it has all keys next to each other. Ideally there'd be two areas of keys, one for the left hand, one for the right with a keyless area in between and each in line with your shoulders. Also the flatness of any notebook keyboard is a negative factor. Besides the vertical mouse I mentioned there exists a keyboard that through its layout deals with all the mentioned shortcomings. I've been using this keyboard for years too, but since I don't want to be mistaken for a spammer, just search yourself for the brand and type of both mouse and keyboard. Dane, to find out what exactly is the natural angle, just stand up, hold nothing in your hands and relax.
You’ll see that the palms of your hands face your thighs and are “hang down” parallel to your legs. Now angle your lower arms 90 degrees forward like you do when you’re working at a desk, but don’t change the rest, keep relaxed.
Your hands will now positioned like you’re about to shake somebody’s hands (the arms aren’t but that’s irrelevant).
When you use a (true) vertical ergonomic mouse, your hands will keep this natural relaxed position.
In order to have them rest on your Macbook (or any other notebook) you have to twist your hands 90 degrees inward. That’s not all: the next move is to angle your lower arms towards the Macbook, because the keyboard area isn’t as wide as your body and it has all keys next to each other. Ideally there’d be two areas of keys, one for the left hand, one for the right with a keyless area in between and each in line with your shoulders.
Also the flatness of any notebook keyboard is a negative factor.
Besides the vertical mouse I mentioned there exists a keyboard that through its layout deals with all the mentioned shortcomings. I’ve been using this keyboard for years too, but since I don’t want to be mistaken for a spammer, just search yourself for the brand and type of both mouse and keyboard.

]]> By: floormaster squeeze http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-34796 floormaster squeeze Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:00:27 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-34796 I really like this idea. I do not like the names. I really like this idea. I do not like the names.

]]> By: Dane http://flowingdata.com/2009/10/14/is-10gui-the-future-replacement-of-the-mouse-and-keyboard/#comment-34795 Dane Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:54:34 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=3395#comment-34795 Joe, not sure that's necessarily true. For instance, on my Macbook with multi-touch, my hand rests on the touchpad at a natural angle, and all the one, two, three, and four finger gestures seem to work just fine. Mike, what you say is true, but it could also be argued that a mouse isn't of much use to a person with no hands. That doesn't mean the concept's bad, it just means that, as with any control metaphor, it isn't going to work for absolutely everybody. Joe, not sure that’s necessarily true. For instance, on my Macbook with multi-touch, my hand rests on the touchpad at a natural angle, and all the one, two, three, and four finger gestures seem to work just fine.

Mike, what you say is true, but it could also be argued that a mouse isn’t of much use to a person with no hands. That doesn’t mean the concept’s bad, it just means that, as with any control metaphor, it isn’t going to work for absolutely everybody.

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