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		<title>By: neoVis &#187; Calorie Intake and Outtake</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/06/24/does-this-calorie-intake-infographic-work-not-really/#comment-32947</link>
		<dc:creator>neoVis &#187; Calorie Intake and Outtake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ron D.</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/06/24/does-this-calorie-intake-infographic-work-not-really/#comment-31475</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey,

Thanks for your comments. In consideration of the chart-averse people who might use it, I almost left out the scales and just had the marks for the specific foods and exercise types. This would have made the nomogram very simple visually. But the extra ability to mix and match exercise types and times to add to the total Calories tipped the scale in their favor.  Adding a guideline is a great idea, and most nomograms have them. I have added them in a separate vector image editor before, and Pynomo&#039;s next release is including this feature because as you say it&#039;s so important.

Ron D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. In consideration of the chart-averse people who might use it, I almost left out the scales and just had the marks for the specific foods and exercise types. This would have made the nomogram very simple visually. But the extra ability to mix and match exercise types and times to add to the total Calories tipped the scale in their favor.  Adding a guideline is a great idea, and most nomograms have them. I have added them in a separate vector image editor before, and Pynomo&#8217;s next release is including this feature because as you say it&#8217;s so important.</p>
<p>Ron D.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffrey weir</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffrey weir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visio Guy: [But it seems to me the info here could be shown in two simpler charts: relative calories for various food types, and relative burn-rates for various excercises.]

My thoughts: I agree. If you put them back to back, then you get this: http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public?uc=1

All Iâ€™ve done is unwind the original graph. I ran out of the inclination to show male vs female, but this would be easy enough to work in. I originally posted this (and most of the below comments) in the comments of Jon Peltier&#039;s blog at 
http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/chart-busters-calorie-chart/#comment-15715#ixzz0JtzVEKXZ&amp;D

VisioGuy: [The cave man graphic would clearly illustrate â€œPizza make fatâ€ and â€œRun make skinny.â€]
Ritchielee: [I do like the idea of throwing certain popular foods into the mix though, as it gives a feel for day to day reality.] 

My thoughts:  I think the bad things are well covered by the â€˜menuâ€™ (*groan*) of choices of commonly consumed food items; but it would be good to have some healthy options too, so that people could see that eating better is as much an option as exercising more.

Ritchielee: I like what you&#039;ve done with your chart. Parallel evolution with what Jon did over at his blog. Jon shrunk his chart in half by just showing half a pizza, given not too many people (except me) eat a whole one.

Ron D: That&#039;s a great trick...reminds me of how we used to scale a line using a ruler back in technical drawing/drafting back in school when I was 15. Perhaps it would help if you also drew an example line on the chart to demonstrate how it works. I put an example on my chart at the above link for the same reason.

On both these examples,  as I commented on Jon Peltier&#039;s blog,  these are great formats - especially for chart-savvy people (such as the average analyst, dietician, or scientist). But there&#039;s a danger they might not be so informative for some less chart-savvy readers. If your intended audience was to be the readers of some non-technical glossy magazine or a sunday paper, then youâ€™d have to account for the likelyhood of the majority of readers understanding it. These audiences would include many un-chart-savvy people who could struggle to make head or tails of these charts, or perhaps couldnâ€™t be bothered exercising their brains, let alone their bodies. 

But me...I really dig them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visio Guy: [But it seems to me the info here could be shown in two simpler charts: relative calories for various food types, and relative burn-rates for various excercises.]</p>
<p>My thoughts: I agree. If you put them back to back, then you get this: <a href="http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public?uc=1" rel="nofollow">http://cid-f380a394764ef31f.sk.....ublic?uc=1</a></p>
<p>All Iâ€™ve done is unwind the original graph. I ran out of the inclination to show male vs female, but this would be easy enough to work in. I originally posted this (and most of the below comments) in the comments of Jon Peltier&#8217;s blog at<br />
<a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/chart-busters-calorie-chart/#comment-15715#ixzz0JtzVEKXZ&#038;D" rel="nofollow">http://peltiertech.com/WordPre.....KXZ&#038;D</a></p>
<p>VisioGuy: [The cave man graphic would clearly illustrate â€œPizza make fatâ€ and â€œRun make skinny.â€]<br />
Ritchielee: [I do like the idea of throwing certain popular foods into the mix though, as it gives a feel for day to day reality.] </p>
<p>My thoughts:  I think the bad things are well covered by the â€˜menuâ€™ (*groan*) of choices of commonly consumed food items; but it would be good to have some healthy options too, so that people could see that eating better is as much an option as exercising more.</p>
<p>Ritchielee: I like what you&#8217;ve done with your chart. Parallel evolution with what Jon did over at his blog. Jon shrunk his chart in half by just showing half a pizza, given not too many people (except me) eat a whole one.</p>
<p>Ron D: That&#8217;s a great trick&#8230;reminds me of how we used to scale a line using a ruler back in technical drawing/drafting back in school when I was 15. Perhaps it would help if you also drew an example line on the chart to demonstrate how it works. I put an example on my chart at the above link for the same reason.</p>
<p>On both these examples,  as I commented on Jon Peltier&#8217;s blog,  these are great formats &#8211; especially for chart-savvy people (such as the average analyst, dietician, or scientist). But there&#8217;s a danger they might not be so informative for some less chart-savvy readers. If your intended audience was to be the readers of some non-technical glossy magazine or a sunday paper, then youâ€™d have to account for the likelyhood of the majority of readers understanding it. These audiences would include many un-chart-savvy people who could struggle to make head or tails of these charts, or perhaps couldnâ€™t be bothered exercising their brains, let alone their bodies. </p>
<p>But me&#8230;I really dig them!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron D.</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/06/24/does-this-calorie-intake-infographic-work-not-really/#comment-31463</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A three-scale nomogram for this graphic provides a very readable and usable format --- see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myreckonings.com/Pynomo/CaloriesIntakeAndOuttake.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.myreckonings.com/Pynomo/CaloriesIntakeAndOuttake.pdf&lt;/a&gt; . To use a nomogram you place a straightedge across values on any two of the scales to intersect the corresponding value on the third scale. The scales also make it easy to mix exercise types and times. Consider working off a 920 Calorie Big Mac and Fries. If a man were to run for 50 minutes, the nomogram shows 565 Calories were expended; then he could continue walking 47 minutes to work off the extra 355 Calories. (This nomogram was created with the Pynomo software at http://www.pynomo.org)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A three-scale nomogram for this graphic provides a very readable and usable format &#8212; see <a href="http://www.myreckonings.com/Pynomo/CaloriesIntakeAndOuttake.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.myreckonings.com/Py.....uttake.pdf</a> . To use a nomogram you place a straightedge across values on any two of the scales to intersect the corresponding value on the third scale. The scales also make it easy to mix exercise types and times. Consider working off a 920 Calorie Big Mac and Fries. If a man were to run for 50 minutes, the nomogram shows 565 Calories were expended; then he could continue walking 47 minutes to work off the extra 355 Calories. (This nomogram was created with the Pynomo software at <a href="http://www.pynomo.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pynomo.org</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/06/24/does-this-calorie-intake-infographic-work-not-really/#comment-31356</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a list of different exercises based on your weight that will &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fitnessforweightloss.com/how-long-do-i-have-to-exercise-to-burn-300-calories/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;burn 300 calories&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a list of different exercises based on your weight that will <a href="http://www.fitnessforweightloss.com/how-long-do-i-have-to-exercise-to-burn-300-calories/" rel="nofollow">burn 300 calories</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/06/24/does-this-calorie-intake-infographic-work-not-really/#comment-31262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve reworked this chart on my blog, as part of the Chart Busters series:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/chart-busters-calorie-chart/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chart Busters Calorie Chart&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve reworked this chart on my blog, as part of the Chart Busters series:<br />
<a href="http://peltiertech.com/WordPress/chart-busters-calorie-chart/" rel="nofollow">Chart Busters Calorie Chart</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/06/24/does-this-calorie-intake-infographic-work-not-really/#comment-31260</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right.

which is my point.

the charts are going to tell you incorrect answers unless they take into account the right parameters, which I think are too hard for such charts. 

so an infographic is not going to tell you the answer to the question. 

it&#039;s the wrong tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right.</p>
<p>which is my point.</p>
<p>the charts are going to tell you incorrect answers unless they take into account the right parameters, which I think are too hard for such charts. </p>
<p>so an infographic is not going to tell you the answer to the question. </p>
<p>it&#8217;s the wrong tool.</p>
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		<title>By: ritchielee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ritchielee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the general problem of clarity is the main issue - an infographic should let me see an instant picture and derive some of my own findings e.g. how much running do I have to do to burn off 3000 calories?

The technicalities of exactness can never work here, so we have to go for a general view somehow. someone running at 12mph for 30 minutes is going to burn more calories than at 8mph right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the general problem of clarity is the main issue &#8211; an infographic should let me see an instant picture and derive some of my own findings e.g. how much running do I have to do to burn off 3000 calories?</p>
<p>The technicalities of exactness can never work here, so we have to go for a general view somehow. someone running at 12mph for 30 minutes is going to burn more calories than at 8mph right?</p>
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		<title>By: Chart Busters Calorie Chart &#124; PTS Blog</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/06/24/does-this-calorie-intake-infographic-work-not-really/#comment-31250</link>
		<dc:creator>Chart Busters Calorie Chart &#124; PTS Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first chart makeover as part of the Chart Busters program. Nathan asks, and answers, the question Does this Calorie Intake Infographic Work? Not Really. As Nathan says, the chart is &#8220;creative and visually appealing&#8221;, but it just [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nathan, @ritchielee

On that chart, the big mac and fries requires about 2.5 hours walking and about 1.6 hours running. Walking is roughly 1.5 x running.

However using Metabolic Equivalents (METS) for a relative comparison, &quot;walking&quot; at various speeds is 2 to 8 METS while &quot;running&quot; at various speeds is 8 to 18 METS.

So I can much bigger or smaller than x1.5 .... then it matters what I weigh etc etc.

Different graph, same problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nathan, @ritchielee</p>
<p>On that chart, the big mac and fries requires about 2.5 hours walking and about 1.6 hours running. Walking is roughly 1.5 x running.</p>
<p>However using Metabolic Equivalents (METS) for a relative comparison, &#8220;walking&#8221; at various speeds is 2 to 8 METS while &#8220;running&#8221; at various speeds is 8 to 18 METS.</p>
<p>So I can much bigger or smaller than x1.5 &#8230;. then it matters what I weigh etc etc.</p>
<p>Different graph, same problem.</p>
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