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		<title>By: Fox</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/04/07/a-perfect-personal-data-collection-application/#comment-30133</link>
		<dc:creator>Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am as obsessed about this as I am frustrated with the time I waste on it. When I find the holy grail of time tracking I might actually get something done. :-)  Just wanted to add some other services to the mix http://dailydiary.com is nearly perfect. i has personal and group charts and automatically emails you at set intervals to report on what you are tracking.

It uses email which for me is essential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am as obsessed about this as I am frustrated with the time I waste on it. When I find the holy grail of time tracking I might actually get something done. :-)  Just wanted to add some other services to the mix <a href="http://dailydiary.com" rel="nofollow">http://dailydiary.com</a> is nearly perfect. i has personal and group charts and automatically emails you at set intervals to report on what you are tracking.</p>
<p>It uses email which for me is essential.</p>
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		<title>By: What we need is a good standards war &#124; aether</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/04/07/a-perfect-personal-data-collection-application/#comment-27925</link>
		<dc:creator>What we need is a good standards war &#124; aether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over at Flowing Data has been writing personal data collection projects quite a bit. In this post, A Perfect Personal Data Collection Application, he talks about what is missing from current tools and about his dream system for personal data [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over at Flowing Data has been writing personal data collection projects quite a bit. In this post, A Perfect Personal Data Collection Application, he talks about what is missing from current tools and about his dream system for personal data [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Carnell</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/04/07/a-perfect-personal-data-collection-application/#comment-26933</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Carnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ doug said: &quot;this all just sounds like a huge waste of time to me.&quot;

Then I certainly wouldn&#039;t recommend doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ doug said: &#8220;this all just sounds like a huge waste of time to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I certainly wouldn&#8217;t recommend doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all just sounds like a huge waste of time to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all just sounds like a huge waste of time to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Carnell</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/04/07/a-perfect-personal-data-collection-application/#comment-26807</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Carnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using your.flowingdata and really like it a lot though there obviously a lot of areas it could be improved in. I like the active rather than passive -- though it wouldn&#039;t be too far fetched to see a scale someday that would say, twitter my weight -- but it really helps that there is a built in way to go back and enter data I missed. So the next morning I can twitter watched xyz at 9:00 pm. There really needs to be a way to edit/delete info there though (for example, when I accidentally Twitter at 9:00 am instead of at 9:00 pm).

That said, I currently use about 10-12 different services that are aggregated in different areas.

First, I have a lifestream blog at http://brian.carnell.com/life_stream/ which aggregates public info -- facebook updates, tweets, netflix rentals, last.fm listening stream, my wish list, blog updates, comments i make on websites -- stuff that is already public or semi-public already and I just want it aggregated in one spot where i can then datamine it.

Second, I use your.flowingdata to track and aggregate information that I don&#039;t usually make public but usually wouldn&#039;t be awful if it leaked. I wouldn&#039;t feel comfortable posting my weight or diet to FB, but I like being able to track it there (so far it&#039;s working -- I&#039;ve lost 6 pounds in the month or so I&#039;ve been using it actively -- nice feedback loop).

Finally, I have a private microblog hosted on a server I control that I update with ongoing information that is a bit more sensitive and/or other tools don&#039;t adequately capture yet.

Overall, I&#039;m probably making about 30 active updates daily with probably twice that in passive updates, depending on how active I am on a particular day.

I agree with Emily in that what I see a need for more of is flexibility. The ability to self-define categories and track that whether its gas mileage, my latest triglyceride count, or the number of pair of t-shirts i currently own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using your.flowingdata and really like it a lot though there obviously a lot of areas it could be improved in. I like the active rather than passive &#8212; though it wouldn&#8217;t be too far fetched to see a scale someday that would say, twitter my weight &#8212; but it really helps that there is a built in way to go back and enter data I missed. So the next morning I can twitter watched xyz at 9:00 pm. There really needs to be a way to edit/delete info there though (for example, when I accidentally Twitter at 9:00 am instead of at 9:00 pm).</p>
<p>That said, I currently use about 10-12 different services that are aggregated in different areas.</p>
<p>First, I have a lifestream blog at <a href="http://brian.carnell.com/life_stream/" rel="nofollow">http://brian.carnell.com/life_stream/</a> which aggregates public info &#8212; facebook updates, tweets, netflix rentals, last.fm listening stream, my wish list, blog updates, comments i make on websites &#8212; stuff that is already public or semi-public already and I just want it aggregated in one spot where i can then datamine it.</p>
<p>Second, I use your.flowingdata to track and aggregate information that I don&#8217;t usually make public but usually wouldn&#8217;t be awful if it leaked. I wouldn&#8217;t feel comfortable posting my weight or diet to FB, but I like being able to track it there (so far it&#8217;s working &#8212; I&#8217;ve lost 6 pounds in the month or so I&#8217;ve been using it actively &#8212; nice feedback loop).</p>
<p>Finally, I have a private microblog hosted on a server I control that I update with ongoing information that is a bit more sensitive and/or other tools don&#8217;t adequately capture yet.</p>
<p>Overall, I&#8217;m probably making about 30 active updates daily with probably twice that in passive updates, depending on how active I am on a particular day.</p>
<p>I agree with Emily in that what I see a need for more of is flexibility. The ability to self-define categories and track that whether its gas mileage, my latest triglyceride count, or the number of pair of t-shirts i currently own.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan - very interesting post, and comments are really insightful so far.

Jess - I agree with your statement that we&#039;re not there yet, &quot;there&quot; being defined as passive, continuous data collection, real-time data transmission and automated reporting and analytics.  

What else is needed though?  Don&#039;t we have all the pieces of the puzzle but no one has put them together yet?  Sensing technologies, bluetooth, cellular broadband, SMS, analytics algorithms, statistical methods, data visualization techniques - these are well established.

My question is - what fundamental element in the future state vision doesn&#039;t already exist?  All we have to do is put the pieces together, right?

But - how do we make it happen?  If there really are no fundamental barriers, what is getting in the way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan &#8211; very interesting post, and comments are really insightful so far.</p>
<p>Jess &#8211; I agree with your statement that we&#8217;re not there yet, &#8220;there&#8221; being defined as passive, continuous data collection, real-time data transmission and automated reporting and analytics.  </p>
<p>What else is needed though?  Don&#8217;t we have all the pieces of the puzzle but no one has put them together yet?  Sensing technologies, bluetooth, cellular broadband, SMS, analytics algorithms, statistical methods, data visualization techniques &#8211; these are well established.</p>
<p>My question is &#8211; what fundamental element in the future state vision doesn&#8217;t already exist?  All we have to do is put the pieces together, right?</p>
<p>But &#8211; how do we make it happen?  If there really are no fundamental barriers, what is getting in the way?</p>
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		<title>By: smallerdemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallerdemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure I really want to get all the boring little details of what I am doing collected like that.  &quot;Wow, I pooped a LOT last week.  And strangely enough, I tweeted every one of them.&quot;

My favorite tool for personal data collection is Tiddlywiki.  Lightweight, extensible plugin architecture, cross platform compatible with any platform that has a web browser, cross reference tagging, embedding of things like Google Calendar and tasks (among many, many other things), etc.  It may not kick back visualized data to me, but it does what a great personal wiki should do and it does it better and faster and easier and with less overheard than anything else out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure I really want to get all the boring little details of what I am doing collected like that.  &#8220;Wow, I pooped a LOT last week.  And strangely enough, I tweeted every one of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>My favorite tool for personal data collection is Tiddlywiki.  Lightweight, extensible plugin architecture, cross platform compatible with any platform that has a web browser, cross reference tagging, embedding of things like Google Calendar and tasks (among many, many other things), etc.  It may not kick back visualized data to me, but it does what a great personal wiki should do and it does it better and faster and easier and with less overheard than anything else out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nathan,   

Totally agree with the need to do more with less, in this case, more life-tracking that doesn&#039;t require a million different logins across the internet.  Clearly I&#039;m biased towards zeaLOG, cus it is my baby, but that was one of the main goals we had in design...flexibility of purpose, so the user can decide what measurement is important to them, whether it is gas mileage, money, booze intake, weight, or what have you.   That said, we are also firm believers that almost nothing works best in isolation, so social components, like group tracking is a big part of the site.  It seems to work pretty well, at least for me.  

On point with the commenters above, I&#039;m kind of of two minds.  I love the idea of more passively tracking, but then I run into the concern that the data I get won&#039;t be meaningful in the end.  For instance, if I track all the music that streams through my computer, I&#039;m not actually listening to all that music, it&#039;s just on...if that makes sense.  On the other hand, if I rely upon a purposeful action to enter data, whether it is through an api, twitter, iphone or web, I&#039;m already making a statement that the particular piece of data is important to me.    That&#039;s another tracking device right there.

I also like to look at data over time, so I&#039;m getting more of a guage of &quot;how I&#039;m doing&quot; vs. &quot;how I&#039;ve done&quot;.   I think there is a place for everyone, though, with all the choices becoming available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nathan,   </p>
<p>Totally agree with the need to do more with less, in this case, more life-tracking that doesn&#8217;t require a million different logins across the internet.  Clearly I&#8217;m biased towards zeaLOG, cus it is my baby, but that was one of the main goals we had in design&#8230;flexibility of purpose, so the user can decide what measurement is important to them, whether it is gas mileage, money, booze intake, weight, or what have you.   That said, we are also firm believers that almost nothing works best in isolation, so social components, like group tracking is a big part of the site.  It seems to work pretty well, at least for me.  </p>
<p>On point with the commenters above, I&#8217;m kind of of two minds.  I love the idea of more passively tracking, but then I run into the concern that the data I get won&#8217;t be meaningful in the end.  For instance, if I track all the music that streams through my computer, I&#8217;m not actually listening to all that music, it&#8217;s just on&#8230;if that makes sense.  On the other hand, if I rely upon a purposeful action to enter data, whether it is through an api, twitter, iphone or web, I&#8217;m already making a statement that the particular piece of data is important to me.    That&#8217;s another tracking device right there.</p>
<p>I also like to look at data over time, so I&#8217;m getting more of a guage of &#8220;how I&#8217;m doing&#8221; vs. &#8220;how I&#8217;ve done&#8221;.   I think there is a place for everyone, though, with all the choices becoming available.</p>
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		<title>By: In Search of the Perfect Personal Data Collection Application &#171; Monkey Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Search of the Perfect Personal Data Collection Application &#171; Monkey Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in my life in a way that the results are useful and the process is not onerous. According to Â Flowing Data: The number of Web applications to collect data and information about yourself continues to grow; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in my life in a way that the results are useful and the process is not onerous. According to Â Flowing Data: The number of Web applications to collect data and information about yourself continues to grow; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Durand</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/04/07/a-perfect-personal-data-collection-application/#comment-26798</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Durand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides Flowing Data, the next best resource tracking this trend is The Quantified Self (http://www.quantifiedself.com/). They cover many different form factors and interfaces.

In the end, for patient safety and wellness, the best tools will need to be ambient, automatic and mobile.

Of course, we are walking confidently into a brave new world of the Panopticon, in which an invisible omniscience is achieved.

The guy that has figured out how to track every aspect of his life is Prof. Hasan Elahi (http://elahi.sjsu.edu/) who has turned the daily, boring activities of eating, relieving oneself, shopping and going to bed a high art, inspired by his detention by the FBI after 9/11.

Same with Jonathan Harris, especially his Whale Hunt that captures not only heart rate and images, but mapped colors and emotion. http://thewhalehunt.org/whalehunt.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides Flowing Data, the next best resource tracking this trend is The Quantified Self (<a href="http://www.quantifiedself.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.quantifiedself.com/</a>). They cover many different form factors and interfaces.</p>
<p>In the end, for patient safety and wellness, the best tools will need to be ambient, automatic and mobile.</p>
<p>Of course, we are walking confidently into a brave new world of the Panopticon, in which an invisible omniscience is achieved.</p>
<p>The guy that has figured out how to track every aspect of his life is Prof. Hasan Elahi (<a href="http://elahi.sjsu.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://elahi.sjsu.edu/</a>) who has turned the daily, boring activities of eating, relieving oneself, shopping and going to bed a high art, inspired by his detention by the FBI after 9/11.</p>
<p>Same with Jonathan Harris, especially his Whale Hunt that captures not only heart rate and images, but mapped colors and emotion. <a href="http://thewhalehunt.org/whalehunt.html" rel="nofollow">http://thewhalehunt.org/whalehunt.html</a></p>
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