Comments on: Paycheck Gap Between Men and Women – Guess Who Makes Less http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/ Strength in Numbers Wed, 23 May 2012 21:06:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Larry http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-25042 Larry Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:14:33 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-25042 Are these for people that have been in the same job and the same training requirements for the same length of time? If you stats are to be viable them this must be taken into consideration. Are these for people that have been in the same job and the same training requirements for the same length of time? If you stats are to be viable them this must be taken into consideration.

]]> By: Fourier http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24906 Fourier Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:10:13 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24906 It would be nice if the person making this nice graph paid attention to the data here. There are numerous longitudinal studies showing that unmarried women without children make the same or higher wages then men in the same occupations. The economics literature pretty decisively suggests that much of the pay difference shown here is due to a) different career preferences between men and women--women tend to like helping professions that pay less even within industries and b) the fact that women tend to have less time in the labor market, which translates into less experience, because they take time off to raise children and/or choose jobs that trade flexibility for pay in order to make child raising easier. It would be nice if the person making this nice graph paid attention to the data here. There are numerous longitudinal studies showing that unmarried women without children make the same or higher wages then men in the same occupations. The economics literature pretty decisively suggests that much of the pay difference shown here is due to a) different career preferences between men and women–women tend to like helping professions that pay less even within industries and b) the fact that women tend to have less time in the labor market, which translates into less experience, because they take time off to raise children and/or choose jobs that trade flexibility for pay in order to make child raising easier.

]]> By: xoxoANP! » links for 2009-03-06 http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24749 xoxoANP! » links for 2009-03-06 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:00:21 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24749 [...] Paycheck Gap Between Men and Women - Guess Who Makes Less | FlowingData One way to solve the paycheck gap is to stop receiving a paycheck. (tags: society statistics thinking dinnergrrls) [...] [...] Paycheck Gap Between Men and Women – Guess Who Makes Less | FlowingData One way to solve the paycheck gap is to stop receiving a paycheck. (tags: society statistics thinking dinnergrrls) [...]

]]> By: John W. Palmer http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24742 John W. Palmer Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:58:18 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24742 Definitely a very interesting graphic- I wonder what this looks like over time? A complete guess on my part would be that this spread has been narrowing faster at the lower income levels. Lower income levels would be where a larger percentage of the population would be contending for jobs, and also a more likely location for lawsuits and increased regulation. ...or maybe I'm just being a bit too political? Definitely a very interesting graphic- I wonder what this looks like over time?

A complete guess on my part would be that this spread has been narrowing faster at the lower income levels. Lower income levels would be where a larger percentage of the population would be contending for jobs, and also a more likely location for lawsuits and increased regulation.

…or maybe I’m just being a bit too political?

]]> By: links for 2009-03-04 - Kevin Bondelli’s Youth Vote Blog http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24694 links for 2009-03-04 - Kevin Bondelli’s Youth Vote Blog Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:30:29 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24694 [...] Paycheck Gap Between Men and Women - Guess Who Makes Less | FlowingData [...] [...] Paycheck Gap Between Men and Women – Guess Who Makes Less | FlowingData [...]

]]> By: BCC http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24693 BCC Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:25:13 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24693 Another option would've been to have the x-axis be median wage for the job (male, female, or -best- overall), and the y-axis be the ratio of men's earnings to women's. The net effect is to essentially rotate the data 45 degrees, so you don't have to tilt your head ($5 bucks says 80+% of viewers tilt their head when looking at this), and you only have to think about 1 axis at a time. The method shown makes the viewer constantly juggle both axes in their head. It's easy enough for visualization nerds like ourselves, but it can be made easier. Another option would’ve been to have the x-axis be median wage for the job (male, female, or -best- overall), and the y-axis be the ratio of men’s earnings to women’s. The net effect is to essentially rotate the data 45 degrees, so you don’t have to tilt your head ($5 bucks says 80+% of viewers tilt their head when looking at this), and you only have to think about 1 axis at a time.

The method shown makes the viewer constantly juggle both axes in their head. It’s easy enough for visualization nerds like ourselves, but it can be made easier.

]]> By: David http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24692 David Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:33:26 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24692 Even The National Committee on Pay Equity says that it is NOT because of discrimination. From their report last year "After accounting for all factors known to affect wages, about one-quarter of the gap remains unexplained and may be attributed to discrimination" So of the total gap only 25% or less is actually attributed to discrimination by The National Committee on Pay Equity. source: http://www.reason.com/news/show/119920.html Even The National Committee on Pay Equity says that it is NOT because of discrimination.

From their report last year “After accounting for all factors known to affect wages, about one-quarter of the gap remains unexplained and may be attributed to discrimination”

So of the total gap only 25% or less is actually attributed to discrimination by The National Committee on Pay Equity.

source: http://www.reason.com/news/show/119920.html

]]> By: Tommy http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24691 Tommy Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:11:13 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24691 So who won the Tableau thing? So who won the Tableau thing?

]]> By: Travis Dahle http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24690 Travis Dahle Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:59:22 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24690 This is a very interesting graph. I do find it a little interesting though that we are trying to find excuses for the pay discrepency like "they work more hours or have more experience." Let's look at Chief Executive Pay. I think most people would argue that if you are a CEO, CFO or COO you are working just as much if you are a man or a woman and you probably have the experience necessary to have that job title...yet women make 14% less than men...I find it hard to believe that is a lack of hours worked by females that led to this spot...an hourly job, absolutely, if you work less you get paid less...but a CEO isn't getting paid by the hour. This is a very interesting graph. I do find it a little interesting though that we are trying to find excuses for the pay discrepency like “they work more hours or have more experience.” Let’s look at Chief Executive Pay. I think most people would argue that if you are a CEO, CFO or COO you are working just as much if you are a man or a woman and you probably have the experience necessary to have that job title…yet women make 14% less than men…I find it hard to believe that is a lack of hours worked by females that led to this spot…an hourly job, absolutely, if you work less you get paid less…but a CEO isn’t getting paid by the hour.

]]> By: Jones http://flowingdata.com/2009/03/04/paycheck-gap-between-men-and-women-guess-who-makes-less/#comment-24685 Jones Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:14:14 +0000 http://flowingdata.com/?p=1394#comment-24685 "Part of the gap can be attributed to men having more years of experience and logging more hours." Is that not taken into consideration? Whenever I hear that men make more than women, I always assume it meant that experience and time worked were taken into consideration - not just the job title. “Part of the gap can be attributed to men having more years of experience and logging more hours.”

Is that not taken into consideration? Whenever I hear that men make more than women, I always assume it meant that experience and time worked were taken into consideration – not just the job title.

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