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	<title>Comments on: 4 Different Looks at Job Losses During Recessions</title>
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		<title>By: Visualizing the economy and its effects &#171; Visualization Blog</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/02/10/4-different-looks-at-job-losses-during-recessions/#comment-29931</link>
		<dc:creator>Visualizing the economy and its effects &#171; Visualization Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as always has an excellent post on job losses. This snapshot compares the current recession with recessions in the past and job losses in that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Your Writing Dept Blog &#187; InfoPorn: Presenting raw data with visually stimulating graphs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Writing Dept Blog &#187; InfoPorn: Presenting raw data with visually stimulating graphs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] there are ways to soften or re-direct the data to make the bad news not quite so bad. TakeÂ Four Different Looks at Job Losses During Recessions for example. Wait, is this good news or bad news? You [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MarksterBlog &#187; 4 Different Looks at Job Losses During Recessions</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarksterBlog &#187; 4 Different Looks at Job Losses During Recessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NAGGEN.DE</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/02/10/4-different-looks-at-job-losses-during-recessions/#comment-25594</link>
		<dc:creator>NAGGEN.DE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cindy Tanner</title>
		<link>http://flowingdata.com/2009/02/10/4-different-looks-at-job-losses-during-recessions/#comment-25045</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confession time ... I used the &quot;bad economy&quot; as an excuse to fire some of my marginal staff. I hired replacements for half the pay, and they do twice the work of the staff I fired (and better) ... I wonder how many employers are doing the same (FYI ... our sale are up ... by any measure ... over the last year). I feel a bit guilty, but this recession has been a great excuse to &quot;clean house.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confession time &#8230; I used the &#8220;bad economy&#8221; as an excuse to fire some of my marginal staff. I hired replacements for half the pay, and they do twice the work of the staff I fired (and better) &#8230; I wonder how many employers are doing the same (FYI &#8230; our sale are up &#8230; by any measure &#8230; over the last year). I feel a bit guilty, but this recession has been a great excuse to &#8220;clean house.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MasonMcD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasonMcD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Itâ€™s very misleading to show job losses in absolute terms, without correcting for population growth. The only graph that shows percent job losses has the current recession buried within eight other recessions.&quot;

Actually, if you look at the percentage chart, there are only three other recessions that had worse rates for the time period: 1948, 1953, and 1958.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s very misleading to show job losses in absolute terms, without correcting for population growth. The only graph that shows percent job losses has the current recession buried within eight other recessions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, if you look at the percentage chart, there are only three other recessions that had worse rates for the time period: 1948, 1953, and 1958.</p>
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		<title>By: Recession Job Losses Top Four Million &#171; Blog of Intellectual Capital</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recession Job Losses Top Four Million &#171; Blog of Intellectual Capital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: uk unemployment graph</title>
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		<dc:creator>uk unemployment graph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great graphs. Good work,</description>
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		<title>By: Fourier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fourier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Data on jobs come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Unemployment data are survey based because the notion itself is vague--just because someone is not on a payroll does not mean he is unemployed. The employment data are both survey  based and payroll based (as a result of the requirement that businesses pay payroll taxes).

Nobody really knows how many jobs are being created or lost at any given time. Those data are a combination of surveys and the silly requirement that businesses of a certain size report layoffs and plant closings. A sophisticated look at unemployment requires consideration of employment, unemployment, duration of job search, possible regulatory changes that affect the numbers and skill level of the unemployed over time (for example, states that have an inflation adjusted minimum wage have really done a number on their low skilled people), and the benefit packages that are available to support the unemployed as it is quite clear that higher unemployment benefits makes people more likely to extend their employment search.

I applaud the comments showing concern with the quality of the data being graphed. One of the biggest problems in the public debate is that beautiful graphics often shill for thoroughly uninformative or ill-considered data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Data on jobs come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Unemployment data are survey based because the notion itself is vague&#8211;just because someone is not on a payroll does not mean he is unemployed. The employment data are both survey  based and payroll based (as a result of the requirement that businesses pay payroll taxes).</p>
<p>Nobody really knows how many jobs are being created or lost at any given time. Those data are a combination of surveys and the silly requirement that businesses of a certain size report layoffs and plant closings. A sophisticated look at unemployment requires consideration of employment, unemployment, duration of job search, possible regulatory changes that affect the numbers and skill level of the unemployed over time (for example, states that have an inflation adjusted minimum wage have really done a number on their low skilled people), and the benefit packages that are available to support the unemployed as it is quite clear that higher unemployment benefits makes people more likely to extend their employment search.</p>
<p>I applaud the comments showing concern with the quality of the data being graphed. One of the biggest problems in the public debate is that beautiful graphics often shill for thoroughly uninformative or ill-considered data.</p>
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		<title>By: The crash in words and pictures at take21.org/blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The crash in words and pictures at take21.org/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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